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Post by Luchadora on Aug 16, 2007 14:25:02 GMT -5
Sometimes, we're new, and we aren't fully aware of the unspoken, standard etiquette expected at a BJJ academy. Here are a couple of basics: - Those with lower belt rankings maintain awareness of space during drilling or training at all times, and shift out of the way of those of higher belt rankings. For example, if Crusher and Todd are rolling and get in my way, I need to get out of THEIR way. - Also, I would never volunteer advice about a move or provide tips of any kind to anyone with a higher belt ranking during drilling unless I have been specifically asked. Many of us forget part of a move at some point, or are having an off day. At this point, we will usually ask a Shawn / Sean, or our partner for assistance. On the flip side, it is acceptable for me to assist a lower belt during drilling. It's part of what we do to help our teammates. Sometimes, we're new, and we don't know these things. I'm sure there are other things that I can't think of right now. If anyone has something else to add, or just wants to call me a biotch for laying it out, please do so.
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Post by Master Shidoshi on Aug 16, 2007 14:32:41 GMT -5
i agree. i see these simple parts of martial arts missed all the time.
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Post by blindwonder on Aug 17, 2007 2:14:00 GMT -5
I halfway agree with you on both points S - Those with lower belt rankings maintain awareness of space during drilling or training at all times, and shift out of the way of those of higher belt rankings. For example, if Crusher and Todd are rolling and get in my way, I need to get out of THEIR way. One important thing (of the many) people learn in martial arts is to respect their superiors, authority and to conform within the bounds of a social hierarchy. Things like lower rank shifting out of the way for higher ranks is a subtle example of this, so to that extent, I agree. However, with regards to general safety, ALL belt rankings need to maintain mat awareness. For example, let's assume I was rolling with you and a couple of new white belts were rolling close to us. Now, lets pretend that I was lucky enough to get you in a position to sweep, but the white belts are so close that if I follow through, you or one of the white belts might get hurt. I need to have mat awareness because if I continue with the sweep and you land hard on their ankle, well...that kinda makes me the 'a-hole' in that scenario. Out of respect, the lower belts should move but that doesn't mean that advanced belts should be oblivious to what is going on around them. S - Also, I would never volunteer advice about a move or provide tips of any kind to anyone with a higher belt ranking during drilling unless I have been specifically asked. Many of us forget part of a move at some point, or are having an off day. At this point, we will usually ask a Shawn / Sean, or our partner for assistance. On the flip side, it is acceptable for me to assist a lower belt during drilling. It's part of what we do to help our teammates. Again, I kinda halfway agree. Yes, unsolicited advice can be a bitter pill for most. Combined with the fact many people like to seek the advice from a reliable source, I can see how people may get annoyed at lower ranks 'helping' or even 'correcting' a higher rank.. (higher the rank, the more reliable the source in this case). However, don't let rank prohibit you from learning. One of my favorite training partners is a white belt (although I don't think for too much longer) He's been training for 2 years, takes privates from shawn and has a much broader library of techniques then I do. He always corrects me when he sees me doing something weird and the few times I did double check him, he was right. I've also had people that outrank me try to show me something that completely contradicts what Shawn teaches. So the moral is if someone tries to 'help' you and you don't agree with or are unsure of their advice, then just double check with Shawn. that's just my 2 cents.
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Post by Luchadora on Aug 17, 2007 3:51:04 GMT -5
Blind, that was at least ten cents. ;D I agree with you regarding mat awareness. I was trying to get a specific point across and did not want to become too verbose. Of course we obviously all need to be aware at all times, for the sake of everyone's safety. If we learn to be aware as white belts, we of course carry this awareness with us as we progress through the ranks. With regard to your other point, I understand that we can certainly all learn from each other, regardless of ranking. As I stated, "...many of us forget part of a move at some point, or are having an off day..." Those with higher rankings than I have asked for assistance, as have I, from lower ranked students. However, it's straight up irritating when someone with a bright white belt takes it upon him or herself to correct me throughout the entire time that we're drilling together. I am quite certain I am not alone in this. When I started, no one had to tell me not to do this, I just didn't, because I thought it would be rude. When I drill with someone of a higher rank, even someone who has been a blue belt for longer than I have, I NEVER offer unsolicited advice. I expect the same courtesy from others. Blind, I respect that you are so humble that you can take unsolicited advice from white belts. However, I am guessing that you know the particular one you speak of quite well. It might be a somewhat different situation if it were someone who just started, say, a month ago. Again, I respect that you are so humble. I, however, am apparently not quite as humble
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Post by blindwonder on Aug 17, 2007 6:24:21 GMT -5
Blind, that was at least ten cents. ;D \ I obviously have too much time on my hands. I, however, am apparently not quite as humble If your game was half as aweful as mine, then you too would be just as humble. Maybe when I start tapping Soju next year, I won't be quite so humble
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Post by blindwonder on Aug 19, 2007 1:25:58 GMT -5
Here's one.
Lower ranks should never turn down upper ranks (especially purple belts and above) unless they are injured. (tired doesn't count...if you don't want to train, don't be on the mat)
I saw a purple belt ask a white belt to roll. The white belt said no, and rolled with another white belt instead.
I saw that as a complete slap in the face to the purple belt.
The purple belt is basically offering himself to the white belt. This was a chance for the white belt to learn something, even if he was going to be used as target practice for the purple belt. I'm sure the white belt could have even asked some questions after or during the roll.
If I were a purple belt (even brown or black) and I asked a white belt to roll, they say 'no' and continue to roll with another white belt, I wouldn't be offended, but I would definitely be surprised.
an extreme fictitious example. Imagine Marcelo Garcia asking a blue belt to roll, the blue belt says no, turns around and in front of Marcelo continues to roll with the white belt that's been training for 3 months. That would be ...just... stupid.
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Post by Master Shidoshi on Aug 19, 2007 18:28:22 GMT -5
i hate it when your are drilling a move and the lower belt tries to correct you, and tell you how to do something, especially when he is wrong.
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Post by gorilla on Aug 21, 2007 16:27:57 GMT -5
id like to add (as a newb myself) to not tap out by patting your partners ass... right luchadora
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Post by Master Shidoshi on Aug 21, 2007 16:30:41 GMT -5
buahaha good one gorilla
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Post by fuji49 on Aug 21, 2007 17:06:53 GMT -5
id like to add (as a newb myself) to not tap out by patting your partners ass... right luchadora Lol @ this one
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Post by Luchadora on Aug 21, 2007 17:22:02 GMT -5
id like to add (as a newb myself) to not tap out by patting your partners ass... right luchadora That IS a good one...God, I hope I didn't do that to you...did I?
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Post by gorilla on Aug 22, 2007 2:25:32 GMT -5
id like to add (as a newb myself) to not tap out by patting your partners ass... right luchadora That IS a good one...God, I hope I didn't do that to you...did I? haha, nope but i did it to you last wk
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Post by blindwonder on Aug 22, 2007 3:11:48 GMT -5
Actually, this one revolves more around technique.
this is a newb triangle mistake.
only triangle someone if they have 1 arm in and 1 arm out. DO NOT triangle them if they have both arms out It doesn't work. Otherwise, you WILL NOT be choking your partner, but you WILL be smashing your nut sack in their face!!!!
If you find yourself trying to finish the triangle and you realize that both arms are out, please be courteous. Release the triangle and remove your smelly crotch from their face.
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Post by Luchadora on Aug 22, 2007 8:02:05 GMT -5
LOL @ Blind's "crotch-in-face" comment! That does sound a little gross... Gorilla, that's alright, I try not to notice the many inappropriate things that happen to me during drilling...
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Post by Rachel on Aug 22, 2007 11:56:55 GMT -5
If you find yourself trying to finish the triangle and you realize that both arms are out, please be courteous. Release the triangle and remove your smelly crotch from their face. Hahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahaha!
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