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Post by blindwonder on Apr 18, 2008 21:56:50 GMT -5
It's just something I've been thinking about lately and wanted to ask others opinions.
When is it good to really go at each other vs going lightly or even s train.
Also, how does this apply when training with the opposite sex?
Personally, every time I roll with an upper belt, I come after them. Not because I want to tap them or anything. I know that they are better then me, but because I feel if I don't give them a good enough workout, they might be reluctant to roll with me in the future. It's probably not the case, but I feel like it is.
also, I have a couple of training partners that I think just like to roll hard, so I roll hard with them and it's a lot of fun. (especially when soju tears my foot off!!!!!!!)
As far as rolling with the opposite sex, honestly I go pretty normal but I do avoid smash games. I try to be much more technical and therefor typically get dominated because my technique is crap. But sometimes I wonder if that is counter-productive for the girls.
Last week one of my female training partners kept saying "put more pressure...more pressure" and I was thinking...man, I hope I'm not offending her by not going all out and I started to think that maybe my attitude is a little patronizing.
Anyway, that is my rant for the week.
Pressure, when to bring it, when not to and how does this apply to rolling with the opposite sex.
Thoughts?
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Post by Luchadora on Apr 19, 2008 2:36:01 GMT -5
Ok, I will field this one, since I'm pretty sure I'm the training partner you're referring to. You aren't the only one, Blind. Most guys, particularly the ones who don't know me as well, go really super light with me because I think they believe I'm fragile. I cannot improve unless I am given a real challenge. Obviously I'm not as strong as a man, so if all you use is strength with me, neither of us will learn either, because it will be over immediately. It doesn't benefit me for people to go super light with me, because that's not how it goes in competition. Likewise, if someone's game is all strength, it benefits them to reign it in just a little at times and work on his or her technique. Upper belt guys tend to know how to give just the right amount of pressure. That is a little more pressure than they are receiving. In conclusion, just do what you do. I'll tell you if I'm injured or if I just want to go light that day. I'm not afraid of pressure, I'm afraid of spazzes. An example: I went to train at Renzo's in NYC and was stuck with a 6 foot male white belt. He was overly gentle with me, until I tapped him, at which point he started to just slam me around. That's dumb, and it happens to us females a lot. In such cases, I make a mental note to avoid rolling with such a person ever again. I'm obviously not looking to get unnecessarily injured because of some spaz. Otherwise, I'll take what you give me, and do my best to work with it. K?  |
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Post by blindwonder on Apr 21, 2008 0:21:32 GMT -5
Otherwise, I'll take what you give me, and do my best to work with it. K? Cool......I'm going to smash you tomorrow ;D |
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Post by Luchadora on Apr 21, 2008 2:17:27 GMT -5
Otherwise, I'll take what you give me, and do my best to work with it. K? Cool......I'm going to smash you tomorrow ;D Bring it. I'll be waiting.  |
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Post by Make for choke on Apr 22, 2008 16:31:31 GMT -5
yeah keep bringin' it ,Johnny,because now u pass my guard like Brett Farve and like a hot knife through butter and like u have Disney season pass to my side mount, but one day soon, Johnny, I'm goona sweep u, take ur back and MAKE FOR CHOKE. I'm gunnin' 4 u Johnny.....in fun non threatning I love u like brotha kinda way. But also to ur point, s-training and /or light trainging is a part of my regimen that really can take your game to another level. Shawn taught me this and now I'm a believer. I have no shame in asking someone to roll lightly so feel free to ask me the same y'all. Tchau
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Post by Mike on Apr 22, 2008 19:10:51 GMT -5
wow, thats a lot coming from barry! His game has changed, for the better. hmm...s training huh? thats the key. better than pounding away and full on pressure training. its all bout going s.
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Post by blindwonder on Apr 22, 2008 20:54:55 GMT -5
Wow...
I have to say that "Make for Choke" is probably one of the best names on this forum!!!
Anyway, thanks for the compliment even though every one knows you could smash me at will.
Actually, I went pretty hard with everyone last night and even though it was a lot of fun, I'm not sure how much I really learned. Not to mention that I could barely get out of bed today courtesy of Soju, TK and the new Australian guy.
I think Mike and Make for Choke are right, it's all about s training as far as improving, but I still think sometimes it's good to go for it just to be comfortable with the intensity. I think from now on I will try to do at least one round of S training every training session.
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Post by ladieslovetk on Apr 23, 2008 16:35:13 GMT -5
After I hurt my MCL I started exclusively S-training because my knee hurts all the time and I'm afraid of getting sidelined for another month. Since I started S-training my technique has really improved! Hurting my MCL was probably the best thing for my technique even though it was excruciatingly painful and I had to drag myself around on my stomach for a couple of days. Anyway, now I'm totally a believer in S-training. When I go hard I just do the same things wrong over and over.
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Post by soju on Apr 23, 2008 17:15:25 GMT -5
for some reason the message board says im logged in but still sees me as a guest.
anyways.
theres certain guys who will never roll light haha. i've come to accept that. blind is one of them. shidoshi kevin is another along with many others. or they just wont roll light with me. but then because of this, i always seem them out to train, along with the big tony and his equalizer, and sato and his blanka roll attacks.
and when you get smashed, even if you are better, their strength can overcome your technique. i realized overtime, i can't be just better when they roll hard and are bigger than me. i got to be, a lot better. just being a little better isn't enough. you are forced to learn things like leg work, proper gripping, perfect technique. any mistakes, even for a moment, when you are propping all that weight and strength with technique, a moment of miscalculation and they will come down on you hard and pass and smash. so you gotta play a different game for those guys as you do light guys and fast guys etc. a game a, b, c, d. it gives me extra motivation and satisfaction if i am able to overcome. so smashing without spazzing, is acceptable/
so nowadays i just tell them, roll at whatever speed you want. i will match your intensity. if the only way they will roll with me is slow, fine, if the only way they will roll with me is hard fine. cuz my time in the academy is valuable and you want to get the most of it.
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Post by soju on Apr 23, 2008 17:16:40 GMT -5
this is getting annoying.
" i always seem them out to train,"
was supposed to mean seek them out to train.
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Post by Rachel on Apr 23, 2008 18:59:26 GMT -5
I guess it depends on what your goal is. If you want to train and have fun, I would think that focusing on technique and not powering out would be the best game plan for both partners. If the goal is to compete, I think using everything you have (including smashing) would be the most productive way to roll...that's what happens when you do tourneys.
Obviously when you are learning a new take-down, pass, etc., crushing your partner makes no sense. When it's time for matches, though, if your training partner isn't giving it their all and really trying to dominate you, they are doing you a disservice. It's counter-productive to have people go easy on me because when else is that going to happen? Nobody is going to the World's for a relaxed, friendly roll on the mat. It's depressing and frustrating to get smashed over and over, of course, but it really makes it obvious what I need to work on. It would nice to once, just ONCE, go w/somebody that I could annihilate! Eventually, way down the road, I might have what it takes!
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Post by Master Shidoshi on Apr 23, 2008 19:05:42 GMT -5
finally im on.
oh yeah smashing is very technical thing too. i see a lot of ppl who have no idea how to smash.
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Post by Rachel on Apr 23, 2008 19:12:13 GMT -5
Hahahaha
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Post by thejoker on Apr 23, 2008 20:59:00 GMT -5
Sifu Sammy I resent that remark!! Of course I go hard with you, you are higher rank and about the same weight. It would be different if you asked to S train and I went full speed anyway. I will go hard with as many guys as I can, just like Rachel said that is what a tourney is like anyway. I know how to go light when its time to go light , as do most guys in there. But in open mat I like to get smashed, and try to smash, etc. like you said, it makes you work. Now going hard doesnt necessarily mean spazzing though. Although I dont mind spazzes most of the time as long as they are not 300lbs! A spazz is a good learning experience because you can bet that god forbid you are in a street or self defense scenario, an untrained person is going to spazz on you and you need to be ready for that. All that being said, if you really want to improve your leg work.. you will do what I did.. www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyK-3Em8__c |
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Post by blindwonder on Apr 23, 2008 23:07:05 GMT -5
Nobody is going to the World's for a relaxed, friendly roll on the mat. I have nothing useful to add. I just wanted to say that for some strange reason this comment made me laugh pretty hard. |
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